how do you think we are going to be able to keep nato going? what would it take, in your view, to sustain nato and keep it relevant given our budgetary restrictions? >> well, i think an intervening event that poses a threat, um, we saw a little resurgence of nato in the libya situation where clearly the united states was not going to take the lead, was going to supply reconnaissance, intelligence, surveillance and a little bit of back up. but it was either nato getting together and going forward or not. that was the threat of, you know, the threat of a destabilized libya, the immigration consequences of that for southern europe, the history with european presence there, that was the precipitating event. but i think it's going to take something similar to that. one issue that i think potentially could be that is the whole situation with iran and the pursuit of nuclear weapons and the fact that europe would be easily within the gun sights of -- and there would be significant consequences for those nation closest to the middle east with a nuclear-